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Thank you, C.   I like that water & sand analogy….  :)

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. in fact, not many of my online friends even know about my husband’s anxiety.  

<wink So I came here to read the serious threads about anxiety.  I’ve been able to help my husband realize a few of his anxiety "triggers"

LOL! We can only imagine what some of those ‘triggers’ might be. Makes me shudder just to think about it.

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Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some members from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by reading this group. My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for anxiety? Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that are studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand drugs? My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening? Thanks! — Linda

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Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some members from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by reading this group. My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for anxiety?

Yes. Benzodiazepines ("benzos") and antidepressants are the meds of choice for anxiety/panic. Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that are studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand drugs?

I’m not aware of any studies. My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening?

It is possible that they have different fillers or coatings and there may even be a deviation in dosage. You might want to insist on the brand name drug or, if this is too expensive, try another generic. What med are we talking about? Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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: Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some members : from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by reading : this group. : Hey Gus <s : My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for anxiety? Margrove could answer this the best…..but personally I found coupled with a benzo, Paxil and Remeron worked the best…..I had tried Zoloft twice(alone) and it did nothing for my anxiety(made it worse)…… YMMV and all that junk. : : Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that are : studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand drugs? I have looked(and someone may have better links) and found a ton of profit/costs type links…..but I do believe there is concern with potency efficacy etc with generic. : : My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t : seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be : psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening? I would ask you doc…….I have heard switching can cause a big difference in how it effects you….but I am not sure of conclusive data. Nice to see you here. Cheryl : : Thanks! : — : Linda : :

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Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some members from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by reading this group. My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for anxiety? Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that are studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand drugs? My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening? Thanks!

Welcome to ASAP Linda. Do you really suffer from anxiety or are you just here to defend your old friend Cheryl? I hope this post isn’t a ruse so you can start causing trouble here Linda. ASAP don’t need posts like the one below that you posted elsewhere.

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: : : : : : I won’t debate this email …. : : : : Nothing to debate, Skippy.  You assume some are/were backing people up : by : : your : : own imagination. That was never my objection – as much as you might : want : : to : : think so. : : : : What I deplore is that you went to a SUPPORT group, and caused havoc : and : : pain : : for those who were and are in need of support, and that group, for : many, : : is : : their only means. : : : : I agree. : : Troll ethics forbid messing in support froups. That shit can cause RL : harm, : : and apparently it did : : Yes…and the *real* damage control that needed to : be done there(not with Laurie….I am sure she mentioned : a hospital trip) : : exactly. : :  for *INNOCENT* asap-ers was just : as intense if not more. : : so laurie is not an innocent person in need of a support froup? and her : so-called friends??? "Innocent" is not the word you should use.  Was it her "innocence" that started this whole mess in the first place?  I’m sorry that what happened in here carried over into asap, but when you shit in one newsgroup, the smell does tend to follow you into another.  You of all people should know that.  Who was responsible for asap doesn’t matter… you’re the one who unleashed the hounds in the first place.  Were you really that naive to think that no one was going to get hurt in this whole fiasco and that other hobo posters not under your control wouldn’t jump on the bandwagon? You know… I’m sorry… but innumerable people have been hurt by Laurie across usenet, and yet she continues the same destructive pattern of behavior in whatever newsgroup she goes in to.  I’ve already done the ’stick up for Laurie publicly and then get humiliated’ routine with her in another newsgroup.  I’m not going down that path again. : I would do some homework Steve before you make any : dieheard decisions on *any* of us from the original GN ng or : ASAP. : : don’t worry, I did my homework. but pleace note I stay out of : alt.support.*. That is a BIG NO NO for trolling, because there are so many : vulnerable people in there. which boB should have realised. now, here you : are sucking up to him/her! I honestly have no wish to cause any more : trouble, but really…..hmmm.??? Steve, you’re pulling the same shit that started this whole debacle in the first place.  There’s no difference… you reviled the original group of friends for not accepting others into the group and decided to play God/White Knight combined and right the wrongs as you saw them from your limited view.  You called in your troll/meower/flonkers all because of Laurie mouthing off to an <pay attention now "innocent" that meandered into this newsgroup…. and now YOU are telling Cheryl, and through her the rest of us… who we can or can’t talk to in this group?   KABOOM… that was my irony meter blowing up. Well, fuck that.  And fuck your threat to start trouble all over again in this group to teach us a new lesson.  I’ll bloody well talk to whoever I want to talk to, including any newcomers/meowers/flonkers or JesusMary&Joseph if they show up.  I’m sure the others would agree that we don’t need or want your approval on who we accept OR support in this newsgroup.  IMO, it’s none of your goddamned business.  You’re the one that started the ruin of this group, which included the friendships contained in it.  You should have thought about that before you started, but you were on your own agenda and didn’t care one twat about who would be left burning in the rubble when the smoke cleared. Now that you’ve had an attack of conscious and changed your mind about the person responsible that does not mean that we have to follow along, bleating in your path.   So just remember the inadvertant spnak that got pulled on *you* in this newsgroup the next time you and your friends decide to destroy a ng. — Linda

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: : … : : : Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some : members : : : from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by : reading : : : this group. : : : : : Hey Gus <s : : Hey, monkey.  <bg LOL hey……. : : : : : My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for : anxiety? : : : : Margrove could answer this the best…..but personally I found : coupled with : : a benzo, Paxil and Remeron worked the best…..I had tried Zoloft : : twice(alone) and it did nothing for my anxiety(made it worse)…… : : YMMV and all that junk. : : : Well, I’m on Prozac, with Tranxene thrown in there when I get real : anxious… you know, that feeling of doom and pacing back and forth, : waiting for something else bad to happen.  Prozac was working very : well until the generic change… but coupled with death of mom, it : just might be all in my head, eh? Well, all of this stems from your head <S but not in the context you then a change to generic to boot…… : : : : Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that : are : : : studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand : drugs? : : : : I have looked(and someone may have better links) and found a ton : : of profit/costs type links…..but I do believe there is concern : : with potency efficacy etc with generic. : : : : : : My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t : : : seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be : : : psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening? : : : : I would ask you doc…….I have heard switching can cause a big : : difference in how it effects you….but I am not sure of conclusive : data. : : Nice to see you here. : : Cheryl : : : : : Yeah, I’ll call him monday.  I might just need a higher dose for : awhile, too.  Thanks, Cheryl.  As Margrove didn’t say anything, I : guess I’ll try and go a’googling.  :) Gotta love Google! The higher dose is probably a temporary measure……you are dealing with a shitload on your shoulders…… you know where I am if you need to talk. xo This is like being in the ocean, I have said it before, those rogue waves make up the pain of grieving but after awhile you right yourself in the water and can feel the sand on your feet. Lots of love to you C : — : Linda :

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Thank you for the welcome, boB.  And yes … I have anxiety. Now I’ve never posted in this group before out of respect for Cheryl’s and this being "her" group.

So in other words you believe there is a Clique in this group that thinks they own ASAP and that Cheryl is a large part of that Clique. Isn’t that what I’ve been saying all along? I’m sorry that Cheryl’s participation in this group prevented you from getting the support you needed Linda. You are just one of many who have felt this way.

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: : Thank you for the welcome, boB.  And yes … I have anxiety. : : Now I’ve never posted in this group before out of respect for Cheryl’s : and this being "her" group. : : So in other words you believe there is a Clique in this group that thinks they : own ASAP and that Cheryl is a large part of that Clique. I don’t believe that at all.  Those are your words, not mine. What I did was respect a friend’s support group, something quite beyond you.  I simply didn’t need any *personal (read: pertaining to ME) questions answered before this date.  See, I only came here to read & learn about anxiety because of my husband’s anxiety in order to underswtand him better.  I didn’t come here to trade jokes. : Isn’t that what I’ve been saying all along? : : I’m sorry that Cheryl’s participation in this group prevented you from getting : the support you needed Linda. : You are just one of many who have felt this way. You’re just blowing smoke outta yer ass making an inflammatory statement like that. Cheryl never prevented me from getting what I needed from this group – she prolly never even knew I was reading in here… in fact, not many of my online friends even know about my husband’s anxiety.  So I came here to read the serious threads about anxiety.  I’ve been able to help my husband realize a few of his anxiety "triggers" because of things I’ve read and explained to him.  And that’s a good thing. I just didn’t happen to need any support/questions answered for /*myself*/ before now, all due to the last 10 months.  Simple as that. — Linda

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Thank you very much, Philip.  That’s the information I came here looking for.  Much appreciated. — Linda

: : It’s been only a short time since generic fluoxetine has become : available. But if you notice a difference and if you can afford it I : would inist on taking brand name Prozac if I were you. : : Philip : : : :

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I’m not about to become a "regulator" in here

I’ll let you be the regulator if I can be the invalidator.;-)

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<snipped : Welcome to ASAP Linda. Do you really suffer from anxiety or are you just here to : defend your old friend Cheryl? Thank you for the welcome, boB.  And yes … I have anxiety. Unbelievable stress, many sleepless nights until I finally pass out from exhaustion, fear of leaving the house, constant thoughts of death… I could go on.  My father died in December, my much loved FIL died in January and my mother died 11 days ago  (no sympathy required please).  My blood pressure is pretty high now, when it used to be a constant 70 over 110.  I’ve developed eye and facial twitches. My husband has also been diagnosed with anxiety and panic attacks since 1980-81.  He gets a monthly call from an insurance nursing service and has regular doctor checkups every 3 months.  I started reading this group a long time ago to try and understand his feelings. Now I’ve never posted in this group before out of respect for Cheryl’s and this being "her" group.  But I needed answers to some questions and what better group to post them in than one I’m already familiar with?  I don’t need to defend Cheryl in here – she can more than take care of herself. : I hope this post isn’t a ruse so you can start causing trouble here Linda. : ASAP don’t need posts like the one below that you posted elsewhere. If ASAP doesn’t need posts like the one that you dug up, then why did you re-post it here?  It’s from a totally different newsgroup that has no bearing in this group, besides being well over a year old.  So let’s just do a virtual hand shake and go our seperate ways, too – ok? I’m not about to become a "regulator" in here – I just need some help with questions now and then to understand what my body is doing to me. HAND — Linda

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some members : from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by reading : this group. : : My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for anxiety? : : Yes. Benzodiazepines ("benzos") and antidepressants are the meds of : choice for anxiety/panic. : : Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that are : studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand drugs? : : I’m not aware of any studies. : : My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t : seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be : psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening? : : It is possible that they have different fillers or coatings and there : may even be a deviation in dosage. You might want to insist on the brand : name drug or, if this is too expensive, try another generic. What med : are we talking about? : : Philip Thank you for your thoughts, Philip.  The med is Prozac. — Linda

It’s been only a short time since generic fluoxetine has become available. But if you notice a difference and if you can afford it I would inist on taking brand name Prozac if I were you. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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: : Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some members : from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by reading : this group. : : My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for anxiety? : : Yes. Benzodiazepines ("benzos") and antidepressants are the meds of : choice for anxiety/panic. : : Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that are : studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand drugs? : : I’m not aware of any studies. : : My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t : seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be : psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening? : : It is possible that they have different fillers or coatings and there : may even be a deviation in dosage. You might want to insist on the brand : name drug or, if this is too expensive, try another generic. What med : are we talking about? : : Philip Thank you for your thoughts, Philip.  The med is Prozac. — Linda

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: : Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some members : : from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by reading : : this group. : : : Hey Gus <s Hey, monkey.  <bg : : My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for anxiety? : : Margrove could answer this the best…..but personally I found coupled with : a benzo, Paxil and Remeron worked the best…..I had tried Zoloft : twice(alone) and it did nothing for my anxiety(made it worse)…… : YMMV and all that junk. Well, I’m on Prozac, with Tranxene thrown in there when I get real anxious… you know, that feeling of doom and pacing back and forth, waiting for something else bad to happen.  Prozac was working very well until the generic change… but coupled with death of mom, it just might be all in my head, eh? : : Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that are : : studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand drugs? : : I have looked(and someone may have better links) and found a ton : of profit/costs type links…..but I do believe there is concern : with potency efficacy etc with generic. : : : : My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t : : seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be : : psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening? : : I would ask you doc…….I have heard switching can cause a big : difference in how it effects you….but I am not sure of conclusive data. : Nice to see you here. : Cheryl : : Yeah, I’ll call him monday.  I might just need a higher dose for awhile, too.  Thanks, Cheryl.  As Margrove didn’t say anything, I guess I’ll try and go a’googling.  :) — Linda

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:Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some members :from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by reading :this group. : :My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for anxiety? : :Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that are :studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand drugs? : :My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t :seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be :psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening? Dear Linda Welcome to ASAP ) To answer your first question, yes, antidepressants can work for anxiety in agoraphobia. The only med that I`ve ever taken for it has been paxil and I`ve had great results with it. Some people with anxiety do better with just an antidepressant, others do better when using just benzodiazepines and then there are some that need a combo of both class of meds to function best. Definitely a YMMV thingie To answer your second question, I`ll append some links at the end of my post. There is some debate over brand name being more effective than generic. There shouldn`t be, but in my opinion, I think there is sometimes. I also think people with anxiety disorders are sensitive to meds and perhaps that is why we can just feel a difference. My Son uses a Proventil inhaler for his asthma. For some reason they switched him over to generic and he told me it didn`t seem to work as well as the brand name. I talked to his doctor and she said it was possible and told me to stick with the brand. I also take Synthroid, and have been told to make sure I only use the brand name. If you feel there is a difference with using the generic version of your AD, then I would ask to be switched back to the brand version.  Take care   Jackie http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/weekly/aa062101a.htm?terms=brand+g… http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSHIW000/333/7228/289719.html http://www.fda.gov/fdac/special/newdrug/generic.html http://cpmu.org/Generics.html ~*~I am a person of many moods…and all of them want some chocolate~*~

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: : :Hi, group.  :)  I’ve lurked for awhile and already know some members : :from other groups.  I’ve enjoyed learning a LOT of things by reading : :this group. : : : :My first question is:  do anti-depression drugs also work for anxiety? : : : :Second question is:  are there any links anyone might have that are : :studies that show the effectiveness of generic vs. name brand drugs? : : : :My pharmacist just switched me to a generic version and it doesn’t : :seem to be working as well as the name-brand… could this just be : :psychological or are there ‘real’ reasons this could be happening? : : Dear Linda : : Welcome to ASAP ) : To answer your first question, yes, antidepressants can work for anxiety in : agoraphobia. The only med that I`ve ever taken for it has been paxil and : I`ve had great results with it. Some people with anxiety do better with just : an antidepressant, others do better when using just benzodiazepines and then : there are some that need a combo of both class of meds to function best. : Definitely a YMMV thingie : To answer your second question, I`ll append some links at the end of my : post. There is some debate over brand name being more effective than : generic. There shouldn`t be, but in my opinion, I think there is sometimes. : I also think people with anxiety disorders are sensitive to meds and perhaps : that is why we can just feel a difference. : My Son uses a Proventil inhaler for his asthma. For some reason they : switched him over to generic and he told me it didn`t seem to work as well : as the brand name. I talked to his doctor and she said it was possible and : told me to stick with the brand. I also take Synthroid, and have been told : to make sure I only use the brand name. If you feel there is a difference : with using the generic version of your AD, then I would ask to be switched : back to the brand version.  Take care   Jackie : : : http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/weekly/aa062101a.htm?terms=brand+ge neric+medication : : http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSHIW000/333/7228/289719.html : : http://www.fda.gov/fdac/special/newdrug/generic.html : : http://cpmu.org/Generics.html : Thanks for the welcome, Jackie.  :)  I’ve also had close experience with generic drugs not working the same as brand names, as my husband has suffered from anxiety attacks since the early 80’s.  There were quite a few brands he had to go through until we finally insisted on brand names for his meds. And thank you for the links!  I’ll check them out asap.  :) — Linda

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:but coupled with death of mom, it :just might be all in my head, eh? So sorry for your loss. {{{{{Linda}}}}} Jackie ~*~I am a person of many moods…and all of them want some chocolate~*~

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