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Steve, I don’t give a rats ass…

Yeah, with the tar remark, I kinda could tell … if you drink turtle blood or snort elephant snot but there are so damn many charlatans out there  just  trolling  with magic elixir.  There are an infinite number of MLMs out there all selling happy juice. I have no doubt there are some "potions" that are of value. You may choose to blindly throw them down but I still prefer to see some reviewed evidence they have some value. Old and Conservative! You bet your health I am! Phen fen was the latest wonder…..

You know, this is like the UFO phenomena… Of all the bogus claims, it only takes one *real* UFO to rock this world. Same too with performance enhancement or well being supplements. Of all the formulas out there, if only one helps my running and/or provides a feeling of wellness, then it’s worth it. That’s why I think you owe it to yourself, and certainly the group, to thoroughly investigate claims *yourself* before publicly condemning anything new, or any new application of something old, as "magic elixir" or worse, akin to "snorting elephant snot." Steve Brown

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Care Plus Chiropractic comes at us twice: Using a food product called Clear LUngs are a blend of safe chinese herbs designed to bring forth healing energy to the lungs. Also using A technic called Total Body Modification can turn on your healing potential through the nerve system…the inborn healing and life force  principal that runs all the organs in the body. Not to sound like a homeopathic skeptic but do you also chant , rub dolls and use leeches.  First off, I hope you have some peer reviewed articles to back up this tale and two, you are bordering closely on commercial advertising.

Yeah, as everyone *knows* runners already have everything technology science and nature care to provide. Heck if anything could produce positive results we’d already be using it a century ago, right? We runners being *so* far ahead of our times So, please, burn your books, stop educational exploration and above all don’t bother us with scientific breakthroughs unless each and every one of your life-long national test subjects shows dramatic, unequivocal running improvement! Steve Brown

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for me, i notice if i run early in the morning, i do great..nothing in the stomach..if there is anything which needs to be wasted, it is done prior to my run (usually in some marathon programs it will suggest having that last bowel movement in the morning and then head to the starting line or something like that)

to add to this, if you have problems with bowel movements in the morning (remember you have to experiemnt in the training) then try a fiber laxative probably the morning before. fiber laxatives take 12 to 24 hours (read the label to find out for sure!!) to form the bulk and get out of the system.  so the morning before the run she should be ready to have a cleansing bowel movement if you run in the evening, then just keep in mind to read the label, find out what the approximate time is for the laxative to ..well. "synthesize" and then experiment with it to see if it helps. in the same way, you don’t need to use a fiber laxative..you can also just experiment with the diet.. i.e. "if i eat powerbars X hours before bedtime, i notcie i am ready to have a bowel movement 30 min into my run, so possibly i need to take the powerbar X+Y hours before bedtime"

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Yeah, as everyone *knows* runners already have everything technology science and nature care to provide. Heck if anything could produce positive results we’d already be using it a century ago, right? We runners being *so* far ahead of our times So, please, burn your books, stop educational exploration and above all don’t bother us with scientific breakthroughs unless each and every one of your life-long national test subjects shows dramatic, unequivocal running improvement!

Steve, I don’t give a rats ass if you drink turtle blood or snort elephant snot but there are so damn many charlatans out there  just  trolling  with magic elixir.  There are an infinite number of MLMs out there all selling happy juice. I have no doubt there are some "potions" that are of value. You may choose to blindly throw them down but I still prefer to see some reviewed evidence they have some value. Old and Conservative! You bet your health I am! Phen fen was the latest wonder….. These Are My Opinions !

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        1)  It could be your getting use to exercise         2)  You could have Exercise Induced Bronchospasm (EIB) or EI-asthma without having asthma at rest.         3)  It could be an allergic reaction to something in the air (even without EIB, or this can exacerbate EIB).         If it is cool outside and dry, this might be affected even more.           I suggest getting it checked out by a doctor specializing in respiratory disease. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Ive just started running after years of being a couch potatoe. Im only at the very beginning stages (the run/walk reps) but Im having a few problems after I run (Im fine -while- Im running). I cant stop coughing. It gets quite severe in that I cant swallow and my eyes start streaming. It often lasts for a couple of hours after and seems to be worse in smokey/polluted areas. Ive never suffered from asthma or anything. Is it normal to cough when you first take up running or does this sound like something a little more serious? Is it possible that Im trying to do too much? Id appreciate any advice. Cheers Nhadine

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Care Plus Chiropractic comes at us twice: Using a food product called Clear LUngs are a blend of safe chinese herbs designed to bring forth healing energy to the lungs. Also using A technic called Total Body Modification can turn on your healing potential through the nerve system…the inborn healing and life force  principal that runs all the organs in the body.

Not to sound like a homeopathic skeptic but do you also chant , rub dolls and use leeches.  First off, I hope you have some peer reviewed articles to back up this tale and two, you are bordering closely on commercial advertising. We welcome the medical profession to the group as things like injuries, nutrition, etc  are always discussed. On the other hand, if your knee-jerk answer will always be your product, then hitch your wagon to another star. Allergies are symptoms of poor immune recongnition and histamine reaction that can be minimized w/ TBM nd certain vitamins like C,A, and zinc. Using a Neti pot nasal wash can improve your sinus health by preventing infections. Any Im a Dr. and offer this info.

Same as above – proof please. From one that types too fast and spells erratically, care to borrow my spell checker. — These Are My Opinions !

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Using a food product called Clear LUngs are a blend of safe chinese herbs designed to bring forth healing energy to the lungs. Also using A technic called Total Body Modification can turn on your healing potential through the nerve system…the inborn healing and life force  principal that runs all the organs in the body. Allergies are symptoms of poor immune recongnition and histamine reaction that can be minimized w/ TBM nd certain vitamins like C,A, and zinc. Using a Neti pot nasal wash can improve your sinus health by preventing infections. Any Im a Dr. and offer this info.  "The Doctor Of the Future will Give No Medicine But Will Interest His Patients In the Care Of the Human Frame, In Diet, and in The Cause and Prevention Of Dis-ease" "The Power That Made The Body, Heals  the Body. It Happens No Other Way.Unleash The Power Of Your Innate Healing Intelligence With Chiropractic . Dennis Sievers DC, RCRD.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, Ive just started running after years of being a couch potatoe. Im only at the very beginning stages (the run/walk reps) but Im having a few problems after I run (Im fine -while- Im running). I cant stop coughing. It gets quite severe in that I cant swallow and my eyes start streaming. It often lasts for a couple of hours after and seems to be worse in smokey/polluted areas. Ive never suffered from asthma or anything. Is it normal to cough when you first take up running or does this sound like something a little more serious? Is it possible that Im trying to do too much? Id appreciate any advice. Cheers Nhadine

 Hmmm, did you get a recent check up? I have allergies, I am not a happy camper when I start my run early in the morning because I am so congested, I cough and stuff, but it is my allergies causing this. I suppose when you first start running you can feel a little burning in your lungs and discomfort. If your health is good and you didnt just give up smoking and you dont have bronchitis or any other kind of lingering illness, you should see it disappear. If not, have a doctor check you out. Birgitte

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Have your Dr. check it out – it sounds like EIA (exercise induced asthma) – I have had it as long as I can remember, but just finally got it diagnosed a couple of years ago. You can get an inhaler to use before you run, or I’ve found if I do the first 5 or so minutes real slow to warm up I don’t usually have problems. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Ive just started running after years of being a couch potatoe. Im only at the very beginning stages (the run/walk reps) but Im having a few problems after I run (Im fine -while- Im running). I cant stop coughing. It gets quite severe in that I cant swallow and my eyes start streaming. It

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Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as she doesn’t feel the need to go.

If she is not already drinking coffee, a cup or so an hour in advance of the run might help her eliminate prior to the run. It works consistently for me. cheers, scott /Everything I know is wrong./ /Repliers must remove "spam" from email address/

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While training for the1994 NYC Marathon, I experienced the same problem. The trainer(sports doctor) for the Leukemia Society Team informed me that this is a common problem and is associated with a gland reaction.  For 90% of the people it is treatable by taking 3 Advil (No other brand!), roughly 1 hour before you run. This will elimate the problem for about 3 hours or so. Should this not work, there is a prescription drug available for this condition.  Good luck – it worked for me and over time I tested the reaction and I needed to take the Advil less. Stephanie

I believe a concern following this advice, though, is that the Advil may mask any pain during a run.  This could lead to aggravating a minor injury to a serious one. — Jim Thompson                       phone: 703-714-3284 Go For Broke!

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: Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to : the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as : she doesn’t feel the need to go. An experienced marathoner friend of mine always drank a glass of cold water an hour before running.  The cold water seemed to trigger the "intestinal reflexes" so he could go before he ran.

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Hi, Ive just started running after years of being a couch potatoe. Im only at the very beginning stages (the run/walk reps) but Im having a few problems after I run (Im fine -while- Im running). I cant stop coughing. It gets quite severe in that I cant swallow and my eyes start streaming. It often lasts for a couple of hours after and seems to be worse in smokey/polluted areas. Ive never suffered from asthma or anything. Is it normal to cough when you first take up running or does this sound like something a little more serious? Is it possible that Im trying to do too much? Id appreciate any advice. Cheers Nhadine

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While training for the1994 NYC Marathon, I experienced the same problem. The trainer(sports doctor) for the Leukemia Society Team informed me that this is a common problem and is associated with a gland reaction.  For 90% of the people it is treatable by taking 3 Advil (No other brand!), roughly 1 hour before you run. This will elimate the problem for about 3 hours or so. Should this not work, there is a prescription drug available for this condition.  Good luck – it worked for me and over time I tested the reaction and I needed to take the Advil less. Stephanie

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My wife is a fairly new runner, started at the age of 36 this February, she averages 4 miles 5 times a week. Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as she doesn’t feel the need to go. She wants to build for  a half marathon and then further but the worry associated with this problem is a barrier.

This is normal (apparently). Take the example of the womens race, Catherina McKiernan and Liz McColgan in 1st and 2nd place. Both got a very loud call of nature after 10 miles or so, but just fought it. It happens. Allegedly, when she finished McKiernan would not accept any congratulations, stretch, sit down, take a drink or anything until she had gone to the toilet. McKiernan’s problem was "number two"s. Most other marathoners who get the need for a number one during a race just do it on the move (I am led to believe). Try it – practice makes perfect! Charlie W  http://www.quebec.demon.co.uk/ Remove SMUG_GRIN before replying..

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My wife is a fairly new runner, started at the age of 36 this February, she averages 4 miles 5 times a week. Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as she doesn’t feel the need to go. She wants to build for  a half marathon and then further but the worry associated with this problem is a barrier.

what time of the day does she run and when does she eat related to when she runs? you have to experiment with food and how it affects your body . for me, i notice if i run early in the morning, i do great..nothing in the stomach..if there is anything which needs to be wasted, it is done prior to my run (usually in some marathon programs it will suggest having that last bowel movement in the morning and then head to the starting line or something like that) a lot of fiber/carbs in the diet might cause the bowel movements to come more frequently.  i find exercise (weights or running) also act as good laxatives just because all the body processes are sped up .  so it really comes down to food types. you may want to think of zone dieting if she is not on it. i.e. 40%carb, 30%protein, 30%fat.  with less carb, more pro, and more fat, bowel movements will probably be less . as far as the meal before her run. is the worried because she doesn’t want to have to stop?  or because she will have to use the bathroom?  most half marathons will have porta potties along the way so if that’s what she’s worried about she shouldn’t have to be (you may want to call teh race organizer to ask about this).  if it’s just because she doesn’t want to have to stop, then look at the diet -ben

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Your basic fiber or brewers yeast tablets might help if she can handle those.  As we get older our system runs slower.  I coach older athletes to have their last big meal on the noon the day before a race…then drink carbo drink (I like simple cranberry juice)…have a very small supper…maybe a bananna…and maybe half a sport bar for breakfast….just some thoughts..

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Try adult diapers or run behind her wiyh a potty. My wife is a fairly new runner, started at the age of 36 this February, she averages 4 miles 5 times a week. Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as she doesn’t feel the need to go. She wants to build for  a half marathon and then further but the worry associated with this problem is a barrier.

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Looks like her bowels need to be trained!  Drinking more water, increasing fiber, and getting in the habit of moving your bowels after a specific meal each day will eventually solve the problem. But my question is why is she not posting this question instead of you?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My wife is a fairly new runner, started at the age of 36 this February, she averages 4 miles 5 times a week. Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as she doesn’t feel the need to go. She wants to build for  a half marathon and then further but the worry associated with this problem is a barrier.

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I also suffer from that problem.  It restricts me to running laps of a 2 1/2 mile loop so I can stop at various places when necessary.  before a big run, I have coffee about 11/2 hours prior to then don’t eat anything just so I can venture off the base.  makes a 2-3 hour run a little more difficult but doesn’t leave me feeling "desperate".

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Mike Duncan asks for his wife: My wife is a fairly new runner, started at the age of 36 this February, she averages 4 miles 5 times a week. Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as she doesn’t feel the need to go.

A few more data points Mike.  Is she jumping out of bed in the morning for her run or is she up for many hours? If the fomer, many find they need an hour or so before to kick start the bowels.  I also find that some java also helps the roto-rooter. If the later maybe some words on diet.     She wants to build for  a half marathon and then further but the worry associated with this problem is a barrier.

It’s not fun to have to hit the woods or find the portolet. They are never where you need them when the URGE strikes. — These Are My Opinions !

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Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as she doesn’t feel the need to go.

Something that never fails for me is to drink some water or sports drink before my warm up (~ 8oz). Then, part of my warm up includes 2 sets of 30 reps of sit-ups, leg raises, leg extensions, and the classic scissors exercise. If you don’t have to clear the old guts after that, see your doctor.  B^) – Bruce

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My suggestion is don’t worry about it. With training, her abdomen and other muscles will be stronger and she eventually won’t get a bowel movement. I mean I used to have that problem too when I started running about three years ago. I don’t have that problem now. CGYH

: My wife is a fairly new runner, started at the age of 36 this February, she : averages 4 miles 5 times a week. : : Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to : the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as : she doesn’t feel the need to go. : : She wants to build for  a half marathon and then further but the worry : associated with this problem is a barrier. :

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Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as she doesn’t feel the need to go.

I’ve heard this a fairly common problem, so at least she’s not suffering alone (the first two women home in the London Marathon had similar problems, and the winner didn’t manage to make it to the loo in time after the finish..). This may sound really stupid, but is she sure she doesn’t just need a good fart, rather than the toilet? That aside, I’m not sure more fibre, which someone else suggested, is all that good an idea really. I think I read somewhere that a small dose of Immodium (an anti-trots pill you can buy over the counter) can help, but its probably a good idea only to use that for special occasions, e.g. long races, and definitely to ask a doctor beforehand. Anyhow, hope she manages to sort it out. Anthony

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My wife is a fairly new runner, started at the age of 36 this February, she averages 4 miles 5 times a week. Often during the middle of her run she will experience the need to go to the toilet for a bowel movement. Trying before the run isn’t  working as she doesn’t feel the need to go. She wants to build for  a half marathon and then further but the worry associated with this problem is a barrier.

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