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The part I missed what evidence that this "doctor" has that his hypothesis is correct. In fact, I disagree with what you say about water from coffee, tea and light drinks not counting. I am drinking diet pepsi. In about 45 minutes, my urine output will go up, Because the amount of water in my blood stream is going up. That sounds like it count to me. I would recommend against this for

Maybe he is thinking about the effect of tea, coffee and alcohol on anti-diuretic hormone, the kidney get rid of more water than you drink if you drink something that inhibit ADH, thus drinking these drinks in turn decrease total water volume (a mechanism used in some tea-based weightslimming powders. It doesn’t decrease fat content with a mg, but decrease weight because body get rids of water)

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The "eight glasses of water per day" advice is rubbish.   In January 2001, the L.A. Times ran a story in their health section on this widely held, but scientifically unsupported, belief.  There have been *no* clinical studies anywhere to try to determine if there are any measurable health benefits from drinking that much water.  In fact, the article made clear that health and nutrition professionals have no idea where the belief originated. It also makes clear that most health and nutrition professionals believe that one gets perfectly adequate hydration from eating, as long as there are fruits and vegetables in the meals.  In fact, IIRC, this was thought to be true even *without* consuming any supplemental beverages with the meals. The article specifically contradicted the ridiculous contention from "Dr Batmanghelidj" that "the water from coffee, tea and light drinks does not count in the blood stream."  That’s patently absurd:  water is water. Unfortunately, the article is in the pay-to-read archives at the Times, so you’ll have to pony up $2.50 in order to read it.  If you’re interested, go to www.latimes.com, and click on the Archives link right below the ad banner.  In either simple or advanced search mode, key the expression "eight glasses water" (without quotes) into the search box, and click the Search button.  The article should appear as the third item on the list, entitled "All That Water Advice Just Doesn’t Wash", dated Jan 15 2001. I consider the eight glasses of water per day advice to be examples of two bad ways of thinking:  1, it’s an example of American Disease, aka Excessivism:  if a little bit of something is good, a lot of it must be great;  2, it’s an example of a belief that following rigid rules leads to health and happiness.  IOW, based on #2, it’s right up "vegans’" alley.

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Perhaps the reason women are more concientious about our fluid intake is that urinary tract infections are more common in our gender & drinking sufficient quantities (not a whole swimming pool, mind you) has been linked to decreased incidence of UTI’s.

Has there been a formal study on that, expecially on the quantity of water necessary for this effect? I *know* it’s true in my case, but I realise it’s always possible I’m just kidding myself. If you’ve ever had a UTI, you’ll appreciate that drinking enough liquid is a small price to pay to avoid the discomfort of a UTI.

<picks up glass <sips <swallows Yup. But how much is "enough"? I wonder if I’m overdoing it at times, especially when I start obsessing if there happens to be no drinking water available. <notes glass is empty <resolves to refill said glass after posting                   Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)    If you want a reply by e-mail, don’t write to my Yahoo address!

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No offence, JB, but if this is the *best* you saw, I’m glad you didn’t post about the others!  :) What’s not to like about it?  It pointed out that there is virtually no scientific support for the idea that people are likely to suffer dehydration without the huge water intake, yet the true believers are certain that this is scientifically established.  That was the same conclusion of the L.A. Times article I referenced in a different post.

If there are measurable benefits, I think the debate about whether there is actual ‘dehydration’ at lower levels becomes rather unimportant… But if you want to worry about a word, feel free. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This paragraph alone ought to have given the journalistic debunker pause for thought: "Of course, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t drink plenty of water a day. In fact, there’s at least one reason to think it’s a very good idea. In a 1999 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine, researchers found that the more liquids men consumed, the lower their risk of bladder cancer. Men who drank more than 10 8-ounce servings of fluids had a 49% lower incidence of the disease than those who drank only half that much." But this has nothing to do with the effects of dehydration per se, which is the (false) belief that leads most people to consume huge quantities of water.

‘Most’ people? ‘Huge quantities’?!  Calm down! A couple of questions: 1.  What is the incidence of bladder cancer to begin      with?

Pretty rare; but it’s still too high! Ask someone who’s had it… 2.  The study was done on men, who have a different      plumbing from women.  Yet is mainly seems to be      women who obsess with the 8 glasses of h2o/day.

Women have a much shorter urethral tract than men, and a greater vulnerability to infection as result. My hunch is that the statistics for women would actually show that increasing water consumption has a *greater* impact (up to some maximum intake; whatever that would be…). Pity the study didn’t include women… If the risk of bladder cancer is pretty small to begin with – and I certainly don’t detect that there’s a widespread dread of bladder cancer in the population – then why would you want to put yourself through the hassle of making about 5 times as many trips to the bog every day to pee, in order to cut a miniscule risk in half?

Well, I’m no water fanatic, but a year or so back I was drinking 2 litres a day. My experience was that I didn’t make noticeably more ‘trips to the bog’ (after the first few days); though when I did go I was clearly voiding larger amounts. Anyhow, you are beginning to sound a bit hysterical about this. Water is damn near free. There are no ’side effects’ to worry about. And any way to cut a cancer risk strikes me as worth aiming for if it’s *that* easy to do! There’s one more problem with the "finding":  It doesn’t contain a statement of an upper limit.  You don’t seriously believe that if you were already drinking 5 liters of water per day, and you doubled it, that you would reduce your risk still further…do you?

Once again, you are sounding hysterical. Who already drinks ‘5 litres a day’? Who even advocates it? ‘Eight glasses’ is likely more than 1 litre and less than 2. The study quoted talks about a health benefit at that level. What’s the problem with that?   Following your faulty logic, if you stop drinking liquids when the risk is still greater than zero, then you’re being "bad" or "unwise" or whatever judgment you put on it.

This has nothing to do with anything I’ve said. That’s what I mean about Excessivism, which clearly is not uniquely an American disease (it just is expressed more egregiously here.)  If a little bit of health fanaticism produces some slight health benefit, then a lot must yield immortality?

This has nothing to do with anything I’ve said. Mark D.

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Perhaps the reason women are more concientious about our fluid intake is that urinary tract infections are more common in our gender & drinking sufficient quantities (not a whole swimming pool, mind you) has been linked to decreased incidence of UTI’s.  If you’ve ever had a UTI, you’ll appreciate that drinking enough liquid is a small price to pay to avoid the discomfort of a UTI. Michele

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did a Google search on the expression, "eight glasses water myth", and it turned up quite a few hits.  The best page explaining why the belief *is* a myth was here:    http://webmd.lycos.com/content/article/1674.51459 No offence, JB, but if this is the *best* you saw, I’m glad you didn’t post about the others!  :) What’s not to like about it?  It pointed out that there is virtually no scientific support for the idea that people are likely to suffer dehydration without the huge water intake, yet the true believers are certain that this is scientifically established.  That was the same conclusion of the L.A. Times article I referenced in a different post. This paragraph alone ought to have given the journalistic debunker pause for thought: "Of course, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t drink plenty of water a day. In fact, there’s at least one reason to think it’s a very good idea. In a 1999 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine, researchers found that the more liquids men consumed, the lower their risk of bladder cancer. Men who drank more than 10 8-ounce servings of fluids had a 49% lower incidence of the disease than those who drank only half that much." But this has nothing to do with the effects of dehydration per se, which is the (false) belief that leads most people to consume huge quantities of water. (Incidentally, it is mysterious to me how you can link to the article that contains this information and *also* post the assertion that "The ‘eight glasses of water per day’ advice is rubbish". Frankly, I’d rather have the reduced chance of bladder cancer…) A couple of questions: 1.  What is the incidence of bladder cancer to begin      with? 2.  The study was done on men, who have a different      plumbing from women.  Yet is mainly seems to be      women who obsess with the 8 glasses of h2o/day. If the risk of bladder cancer is pretty small to begin with – and I certainly don’t detect that there’s a widespread dread of bladder cancer in the population – then why would you want to put yourself through the hassle of making about 5 times as many trips to the bog every day to pee, in order to cut a miniscule risk in half? There’s one more problem with the "finding":  It doesn’t contain a statement of an upper limit.  You don’t seriously believe that if you were already drinking 5 liters of water per day, and you doubled it, that you would reduce your risk still further…do you?   Following your faulty logic, if you stop drinking liquids when the risk is still greater than zero, then you’re being "bad" or "unwise" or whatever judgment you put on it. That’s what I mean about Excessivism, which clearly is not uniquely an American disease (it just is expressed more egregiously here.)  If a little bit of health fanaticism produces some slight health benefit, then a lot must yield immortality?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did a Google search on the expression, "eight glasses water myth", and it turned up quite a few hits.  The best page explaining why the belief *is* a myth was here:     http://webmd.lycos.com/content/article/1674.51459 No offence, JB, but if this is the *best* you saw, I’m glad you didn’t post about the others!  :) This paragraph alone ought to have given the journalistic debunker pause for thought: "Of course, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t drink plenty of water a day. In fact, there’s at least one reason to think it’s a very good idea. In a 1999 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine, researchers found that the more liquids men consumed, the lower their risk of bladder cancer. Men who drank more than 10 8-ounce servings of fluids had a 49% lower incidence of the disease than those who drank only half that much." (Incidentally, it is mysterious to me how you can link to the article that contains this information and *also* post the assertion that "The ‘eight glasses of water per day’ advice is rubbish". Frankly, I’d rather have the reduced chance of bladder cancer…) M.

Bladder cancer is a very rare cancer among non-smokers.  It is also rarely a fatal cancer.  My grandfather was diagnosed with bladder cancer in his 70s and had several recurrences over the next two decades, but died of something else at 95.

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Once upon a time, our gallant Jonathan Ball  being bored in sci.med.nutrition rambled on    about Re: 8 glasses of water (with a pinch of salt), thusly … First, kindly stop posting to ‘alt.food.vegan’, or don’t you follow threads? (Incidentally, it is mysterious to me how you can link to the article that contains this information and *also* post the assertion that "The ‘eight glasses of water per day’ advice is rubbish". Frankly, I’d rather have the reduced chance of bladder cancer…)

This is precisely WHY, good health is an Art rather than a science. It seems that most scientists want-a-be’s don’t have any common sense. Thanks for proving the validity of my motto: " Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science!" That’s what I mean about Excessivism, which clearly is not uniquely an American disease (it just is expressed more egregiously here.)  If a little bit of health fanaticism produces some slight health benefit, then a lot must yield immortality?

Excuse me, but 8 glasses a day is NOT excessive.  It only seems excessive to you because you regularly fail to drink fluids. — John Gohde,      Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! The Award Winning www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com  proudly waves the American flag. Now you can listen to over 12 hours of Real Audio sound clips of Natural Health information. Check out the Home Page for a hyperlink list of webpages with Real Audio.

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Wonder why the "pinch" of salt?  Lord knows we all get enough salt….too much.

Strong ion dilution in bloodstream is not very healthy. And it may lead to loss of several organic osmolytes that cells has to excrete to keep cell volume unchanged when there is an hyposmotic challenge. Not all these osmolytes are recycled by kidneys and may be lost in urine. Some of these osmolytes has also other important functions in cells and other places. Eg. betaine that is a methyl donor, taurine that is an antioxidant and negative neurotransmittor and intracellular calciumconcentration regulator plus plus. and many other, like inositols that may be building stone for signal molecules etc.

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I did a Google search on the expression, "eight glasses water myth", and it turned up quite a few hits.  The best page explaining why the belief *is* a myth was here:    http://webmd.lycos.com/content/article/1674.51459 No offence, JB, but if this is the *best* you saw, I’m glad you didn’t post about the others!  :)

What’s not to like about it?  It pointed out that there is virtually no scientific support for the idea that people are likely to suffer dehydration without the huge water intake, yet the true believers are certain that this is scientifically established.  That was the same conclusion of the L.A. Times article I referenced in a different post. This paragraph alone ought to have given the journalistic debunker pause for thought: "Of course, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t drink plenty of water a day. In fact, there’s at least one reason to think it’s a very good idea. In a 1999 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine, researchers found that the more liquids men consumed, the lower their risk of bladder cancer. Men who drank more than 10 8-ounce servings of fluids had a 49% lower incidence of the disease than those who drank only half that much."

But this has nothing to do with the effects of dehydration per se, which is the (false) belief that leads most people to consume huge quantities of water. (Incidentally, it is mysterious to me how you can link to the article that contains this information and *also* post the assertion that "The ‘eight glasses of water per day’ advice is rubbish". Frankly, I’d rather have the reduced chance of bladder cancer…)

A couple of questions: 1.  What is the incidence of bladder cancer to begin      with? 2.  The study was done on men, who have a different      plumbing from women.  Yet is mainly seems to be      women who obsess with the 8 glasses of h2o/day. If the risk of bladder cancer is pretty small to begin with – and I certainly don’t detect that there’s a widespread dread of bladder cancer in the population – then why would you want to put yourself through the hassle of making about 5 times as many trips to the bog every day to pee, in order to cut a miniscule risk in half? There’s one more problem with the "finding":  It doesn’t contain a statement of an upper limit.  You don’t seriously believe that if you were already drinking 5 liters of water per day, and you doubled it, that you would reduce your risk still further…do you?   Following your faulty logic, if you stop drinking liquids when the risk is still greater than zero, then you’re being "bad" or "unwise" or whatever judgment you put on it. That’s what I mean about Excessivism, which clearly is not uniquely an American disease (it just is expressed more egregiously here.)  If a little bit of health fanaticism produces some slight health benefit, then a lot must yield immortality?

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Once upon a time, our gallant Jonathan Ball  being bored in sci.med.nutrition rambled on    about 8 glasses of water (with a pinch of salt), thusly … I did a Google search on the expression, "eight glasses water myth", and it turned up quite a few hits.  The best page explaining why the belief *is* a myth was here:    http://webmd.lycos.com/content/article/1674.51459

Yep, indeed, you truly are an idiot!  Why don’t you ACTUALLY trying READING your above article? It states:  "Of course, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t drink plenty of water a day. In fact, there’s at least one reason to think it’s a very good idea. In a 1999 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine, researchers found that the more liquids men consumed, the lower their risk of bladder cancer. Men who drank more than 10 8-ounce servings of fluids had a 49% lower incidence of the disease than those who drank only half that much." Obliviously your pet authors are simply playing a word game, in order to jerk their readership around for ratings. There happens to be a difference between what is needed to survive, and what is recommended to THRIVE! In health ngs, we like to play word games, too. The game we play is that we assume that those venturing into a health related ng are actually interested in promoting optimum health. Obviously, you are NOT!!! — Away! Thou art poison to my blood. — Cymbeline

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I did a Google search on the expression, "eight glasses water myth", and it turned up quite a few hits.  The best page explaining why the belief *is* a myth was here:     http://webmd.lycos.com/content/article/1674.51459

No offence, JB, but if this is the *best* you saw, I’m glad you didn’t post about the others!  :) This paragraph alone ought to have given the journalistic debunker pause for thought: "Of course, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t drink plenty of water a day. In fact, there’s at least one reason to think it’s a very good idea. In a 1999 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine, researchers found that the more liquids men consumed, the lower their risk of bladder cancer. Men who drank more than 10 8-ounce servings of fluids had a 49% lower incidence of the disease than those who drank only half that much." (Incidentally, it is mysterious to me how you can link to the article that contains this information and *also* post the assertion that "The ‘eight glasses of water per day’ advice is rubbish". Frankly, I’d rather have the reduced chance of bladder cancer…) M.

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Once upon a time, our gallant Jonathan Ball  being bored in sci.med.nutrition rambled on    about Re: 8 glasses of water (with a pinch of salt), thusly … [...] — John Gohde,      Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! What an absurd, anti-rational belief!

Please state the foundation, in detail, of your absurd, anti-rational belief!  Or, was your reply simply a matter of an impulsive gut feeling? — John Gohde,      Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! The Award Winning www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com  proudly waves the American flag. Now you can listen to over 12 hours of Real Audio sound clips of Natural Health information. Check out the Home Page for a hyperlink list of webpages with Real Audio.

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[...] — John Gohde,      Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science!

What an absurd, anti-rational belief!

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I did a Google search on the expression, "eight glasses water myth", and it turned up quite a few hits.  The best page explaining why the belief *is* a myth was here:     http://webmd.lycos.com/content/article/1674.51459

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Once upon a time, our gallant Jonathan Ball  being bored in sci.med.nutrition rambled on    about 8 glasses of water (with a pinch of salt), thusly … The "eight glasses of water per day" advice is rubbish.  In January 2001, the L.A. Times ran a story in their health section on this widely held, but scientifically unsupported, belief.  There have been *no* clinical studies anywhere to try to determine if there are any measurable health benefits from drinking that much water.

No wonder that you are full of rubbish!  You get your health information from the L.A. Times.  In other words, you get your health advice from the media.  What rubbish!! The popular press is ALWAYS interested in jerking their readers around in order to increase ratings.  :-( — John Gohde,      Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! The Award Winning www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com  proudly waves the American flag. Now you can listen to over 12 hours of Real Audio sound clips of Natural Health information. Check out the Home Page for a hyperlink list of webpages with Real Audio.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In fact, I disagree with what you say about water from coffee, tea and light drinks not counting. I am drinking diet pepsi. In about 45 minutes, my urine output will go up, Because the amount of water in my blood stream is going up. That sounds like it count[s] to me. Hmm. I’ve been wondering if the thought about tea, coffee etc ‘not counting’ might relate to the *diuretic* effect of these drinks: your urine output goes up precisely because your body is flushing out various substances using the water component of the drink – rather than using that water to hydrate its own tissues etc. Someone let me know if I’ve got this wrong (or right…). M. Well that’s the theory, anyway.  However, it appears that in practice your kidneys adjust quite nicely to caffeine and there is very little diuretic effect.  One study that I’ve found showed that after an hour on average you retain about 50% of caffeinated drinks and 60% of non-caffeinated drinks. Another study didn’t show any difference between the two.

Oh well then let’s all load up on cafferine,,,,,,,,,and diet pepsi. Down with water! Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In fact, I disagree with what you say about water from coffee, tea and light drinks not counting. I am drinking diet pepsi. In about 45 minutes, my urine output will go up, Because the amount of water in my blood stream is going up. That sounds like it count[s] to me. Hmm. I’ve been wondering if the thought about tea, coffee etc ‘not counting’ might relate to the *diuretic* effect of these drinks: your urine output goes up precisely because your body is flushing out various substances using the water component of the drink – rather than using that water to hydrate its own tissues etc. Someone let me know if I’ve got this wrong (or right…). M. Well that’s the theory, anyway.  However, it appears that in practice your kidneys adjust quite nicely to caffeine and there is very little diuretic effect.  One study that I’ve found showed that after an hour on average you retain about 50% of caffeinated drinks and 60% of non-caffeinated drinks. Another study didn’t show any difference between the two.

I would say these studies are accurate. Remember, some people would have a stronger diuretic effect than others. And, as you point out, some people will be adjust to caffeine more so than others. All the best, Wyle

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Q. Dr Fereydoon Batmanghelidj, an Iranian doctor who studied at St Mary’s Hospital in London, says in his book Your Body’s Many Cries For Water that the body’s message is that it is thirsty from lack of water, since the water from coffee, tea and light drinks does not count in the blood stream. He recommends at least eight glasses of water daily with a pinch of salt, to improve hypertension, diabetes, rheumatism, asthma, allergies, gastric and colon ulcers, arthritis, stress, depression, cholesterol, excess weight, bulimia, etc. His new paradigm is based on the fact that humanity has lost its thirst sensation which has been replaced by sugared, salty and sour food, instead of drinking water with a pinch of salt, which is what our body needs. Do you think it is advisable to recommend this salt water therapy to hydrate the body?

Wonder why the "pinch" of salt?  Lord knows we all get enough salt….too much. Cher.

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The part I missed what evidence that this "doctor" has that his hypothesis is correct. In fact, I disagree with what you say about water from coffee, tea and light drinks not counting. I am drinking diet pepsi. In about 45 minutes, my urine output will go up, Because the amount of water in my blood stream is going up. That sounds like it count to me. I would recommend against this for people with hypertension, unless they clear it with their doctor first. As for the other ailments, how about some evidence that this makes a difference. If you believe that the human body has lost its need for water because of salt, try going to a bar and eating some salty peanuts or pretzels. Perhaps you should ask for a brain too, because you are not using yours. All the best, Wyle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Q. Dr Fereydoon Batmanghelidj, an Iranian doctor who studied at St Mary’s Hospital in London, says in his book Your Body’s Many Cries For Water that the body’s message is that it is thirsty from lack of water, since the water from coffee, tea and light drinks does not count in the blood stream. He recommends at least eight glasses of water daily with a pinch of salt, to improve hypertension, diabetes, rheumatism, asthma, allergies, gastric and colon ulcers, arthritis, stress, depression, cholesterol, excess weight, bulimia, etc. His new paradigm is based on the fact that humanity has lost its thirst sensation which has been replaced by sugared, salty and sour food, instead of drinking water with a pinch of salt, which is what our body needs. Do you think it is advisable to recommend this salt water therapy to hydrate the body? A. Yes. From the Oct 2001 issue of Share International http://www.shareintl.org "Without sharing there can be no justice; without justice there can be no peace; without peace there can be no future."  Maitreya, the World Teacher .

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The part I missed what evidence that this "doctor" has that his hypothesis is correct. In fact, I disagree with what you say about water from coffee, tea and light drinks not counting. I am drinking diet pepsi. In about 45 minutes, my urine output will go up, Because the amount of water in my blood stream is going up. That sounds like it count to me. I would recommend against this for people with hypertension, unless they clear it with their doctor first. As for the other ailments, how about some evidence that this makes a difference. If you believe that the human body has lost its need for water because of salt, try going to a bar and eating some salty peanuts or pretzels. Perhaps you should ask for a brain too, because you are not using yours. All the best, Wyle

You sure are using yours doc,,,,,,,,,,have some more diet pepsi. Is this the kind of healthy advice docs are putting out now? Duh. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Q. Dr Fereydoon Batmanghelidj, an Iranian doctor who studied at St Mary’s Hospital in London, says in his book Your Body’s Many Cries For Water that the body’s message is that it is thirsty from lack of water, since the water from coffee, tea and light drinks does not count in the blood stream. He recommends at least eight glasses of water daily with a pinch of salt, to improve hypertension, diabetes, rheumatism, asthma, allergies, gastric and colon ulcers, arthritis, stress, depression, cholesterol, excess weight, bulimia, etc. His new paradigm is based on the fact that humanity has lost its thirst sensation which has been replaced by sugared, salty and sour food, instead of drinking water with a pinch of salt, which is what our body needs. Do you think it is advisable to recommend this salt water therapy to hydrate the body? A. Yes. From the Oct 2001 issue of Share International http://www.shareintl.org "Without sharing there can be no justice; without justice there can be no peace; without peace there can be no future."  Maitreya, the World Teacher .

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In fact, I disagree with what you say about water from coffee, tea and light drinks not counting. I am drinking diet pepsi. In about 45 minutes, my urine output will go up, Because the amount of water in my blood stream is going up. That sounds like it count[s] to me. Hmm. I’ve been wondering if the thought about tea, coffee etc ‘not counting’ might relate to the *diuretic* effect of these drinks: your urine output goes up precisely because your body is flushing out various substances using the water component of the drink – rather than using that water to hydrate its own tissues etc. Someone let me know if I’ve got this wrong (or right…). M.

Well that’s the theory, anyway.  However, it appears that in practice your kidneys adjust quite nicely to caffeine and there is very little diuretic effect.  One study that I’ve found showed that after an hour on average you retain about 50% of caffeinated drinks and 60% of non-caffeinated drinks. Another study didn’t show any difference between the two.

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In fact, I disagree with what you say about water from coffee, tea and light drinks not counting. I am drinking diet pepsi. In about 45 minutes, my urine output will go up, Because the amount of water in my blood stream is going up. That sounds like it count[s] to me.

Hmm. I’ve been wondering if the thought about tea, coffee etc ‘not counting’ might relate to the *diuretic* effect of these drinks: your urine output goes up precisely because your body is flushing out various substances using the water component of the drink – rather than using that water to hydrate its own tissues etc. Someone let me know if I’ve got this wrong (or right…). M.

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Once upon a time, our gallant Tecumseh  being bored in sci.med.nutrition rambled on    about 8 glasses of water (with a pinch of salt), thusly … He recommends at least eight glasses of water daily with a pinch of salt, to improve hypertension, diabetes, rheumatism, asthma, allergies, gastric and colon ulcers, arthritis, stress, depression, cholesterol, excess weight, bulimia, etc. Do you think it is advisable to recommend this salt water therapy to hydrate the body?

Skip the salt! Minerals will improve the taste of water.  I add a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of powered magnesium to mine, in order to improve the taste. — John Gohde,      Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! The Award Winning www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com  proudly waves the American flag. Now you can listen to over 12 hours of Real Audio sound clips of Natural Health information. Check out the Home Page for a hyperlink list of webpages with Real Audio.

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Please don’t cross-post this on alt.food.vegan, as it is of no interest to us! Ronny —  "Computer games don’t affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we’d all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Q. Dr Fereydoon Batmanghelidj, an Iranian doctor who studied at St Mary’s Hospital in London, says in his book Your Body’s Many Cries For Water that the body’s message is that it is thirsty from lack of water, since the water from coffee, tea and light drinks does not count in the blood stream. He recommends at least eight glasses of water daily with a pinch of salt, to improve hypertension, diabetes, rheumatism, asthma, allergies, gastric and colon ulcers, arthritis, stress, depression, cholesterol, excess weight, bulimia, etc. His new paradigm is based on the fact that humanity has lost its thirst sensation which has been replaced by sugared, salty and sour food, instead of drinking water with a pinch of salt, which is what our body needs. Do you think it is advisable to recommend this salt water therapy to hydrate the body? A. Yes. From the Oct 2001 issue of Share International http://www.shareintl.org "Without sharing there can be no justice; without justice there can be no peace; without peace there can be no future."  Maitreya, the World Teacher .

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Q. Dr Fereydoon Batmanghelidj, an Iranian doctor who studied at St Mary’s Hospital in London, says in his book Your Body’s Many Cries For Water that the body’s message is that it is thirsty from lack of water, since the water from coffee, tea and light drinks does not count in the blood stream. He recommends at least eight glasses of water daily with a pinch of salt, to improve hypertension, diabetes, rheumatism, asthma, allergies, gastric and colon ulcers, arthritis, stress, depression, cholesterol, excess weight, bulimia, etc. His new paradigm is based on the fact that humanity has lost its thirst sensation which has been replaced by sugared, salty and sour food, instead of drinking water with a pinch of salt, which is what our body needs. Do you think it is advisable to recommend this salt water therapy to hydrate the body? A. Yes. From the Oct 2001 issue of Share International http://www.shareintl.org "Without sharing there can be no justice; without justice there can be no peace; without peace there can be no future."  Maitreya, the World Teacher .

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